Comments on: Knights and Knaves Puzzles https://puzzlewocky.com brain teasers, word games, paradoxes, situation puzzles, and optical illusions Sat, 19 Aug 2023 03:07:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Jake Owens https://puzzlewocky.com/brain-teasers/knights-and-knaves/#comment-376 Sat, 19 Aug 2023 03:07:08 +0000 https://puzzlewocky.com/?page_id=275#comment-376 In reply to puzzlewocky (@puzzlewocky).

Would the solution for #4 also work for #3? I’ve gone through it and it seems it would.

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By: seth https://puzzlewocky.com/brain-teasers/knights-and-knaves/#comment-331 Mon, 24 Jan 2022 12:14:27 +0000 https://puzzlewocky.com/?page_id=275#comment-331 In reply to puzzlewocky (@puzzlewocky).

for question 4 i would ask either one “if i asked your counterpart which path is correct what would they saw?” either answer would end up being a lie so take the opposite

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By: puzzlewocky (@puzzlewocky) https://puzzlewocky.com/brain-teasers/knights-and-knaves/#comment-279 Fri, 05 Jul 2019 15:11:39 +0000 https://puzzlewocky.com/?page_id=275#comment-279 In reply to Student-Robn.

Referring to the chart above, simply asking, “If I asked you if this is the correct path, would you say yes?” has the result that a Yes answer means it’s the correct path and a No answer means it’s the incorrect path, so you get the information you are seeking. Ironically, you would never find out whether you were talking to a knight or a knave. In a sense, “If I asked you if this is the correct path, would you say yes?” is a trick question, because it provides us with an extra layer of information, allowing us to get the information we seek with only one question.

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By: Student-Robn https://puzzlewocky.com/brain-teasers/knights-and-knaves/#comment-278 Fri, 05 Jul 2019 12:12:55 +0000 https://puzzlewocky.com/?page_id=275#comment-278 In reply to puzzlewocky (@puzzlewocky).

Sorry, no. The point is that you need to ask 2 questions to solve #4

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By: Student-Robn https://puzzlewocky.com/brain-teasers/knights-and-knaves/#comment-277 Fri, 05 Jul 2019 12:10:12 +0000 https://puzzlewocky.com/?page_id=275#comment-277 In reply to puzzlewocky (@puzzlewocky).

But I don’t think you know which path is correct.

A knight and a knave can both give yes no answers… so it depends whether the path is correct or not, which you still do not know…?

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By: puzzlewocky (@puzzlewocky) https://puzzlewocky.com/brain-teasers/knights-and-knaves/#comment-217 Sun, 10 Feb 2019 20:19:33 +0000 https://puzzlewocky.com/?page_id=275#comment-217 In reply to Anonymous.

Let’s have a look! A chart may be helpful in understanding #3 as well. Here again, the added layer of abstraction gives additional information, though here it is the knight’s answer that changes.
Number Three Chart

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By: puzzlewocky (@puzzlewocky) https://puzzlewocky.com/brain-teasers/knights-and-knaves/#comment-216 Sun, 10 Feb 2019 19:45:06 +0000 https://puzzlewocky.com/?page_id=275#comment-216 In reply to Anonymous.

The new information comes from an added layer of abstraction with regard to the knave. To understand #4, suppose you are the knave, so you must always lie. A traveler approaches, who does not know whether you are a knight or a knave. If he points to a path, and simply asks, “Is this the correct path?” then you must lie, so if it is the correct path, you say No and if it is not the correct path, you say Yes. This does not help the traveler. But if the traveler instead asks, “If I asked you if this is the correct path, would you say yes?” then your answer must change! If it is the correct path and you were asked if it is the correct path, you would lie and say No, so in answer to the question of whether you would say Yes, you must lie and say Yes. Similarly, if it was the incorrect path, your answer to the question, “Is this the correct path?” would be Yes (a lie), but your answer to the question, “If I asked you if this is the correct path, would you say yes?” must be No (a lie). This forces the knave into a double lie, revealing the correct path. The knight, on the other hand, would be telling the truth in answer to either question, so no new information is needed in that case. Here’s a chart to illustrate the difference between the two questions:
Number Four Chart

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By: Anonymous https://puzzlewocky.com/brain-teasers/knights-and-knaves/#comment-209 Tue, 22 Jan 2019 09:33:01 +0000 https://puzzlewocky.com/?page_id=275#comment-209 Your solution to #3 fails.

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By: Anonymous https://puzzlewocky.com/brain-teasers/knights-and-knaves/#comment-208 Tue, 22 Jan 2019 09:27:16 +0000 https://puzzlewocky.com/?page_id=275#comment-208 Your solution to #4 gives you no information and you are as you were when you arrived. Asking that question will not resolve your dilemma.

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